Project: OFF0002-MC_Hollywood_BBC Clip Name: Unk Speaker 2: 00:00:00;00 - 00:00:09:13 I was approached when I was about 16 to do some promotional work for, you know, clothing companies and for brands and logos and things like that. Speaker 2: 00:00:09:13 - 00:00:09:20 And Speaker 2: 00:00:09:20 - 00:00:10:18 So it was exciting. Speaker 2: 00:00:10:23 - 00:00:16:22 It looked like there was a lot of possibilities to do anything from like travel, to be in film, to be on runway Speaker 2: 00:00:17:14 - 00:00:19:03 I was about 16 or 17 Speaker 2: 00:00:19:11 - 00:00:22:24 this was in the early 2000s, and we were backstage. Speaker 2: 00:00:23:15 - 00:00:26:01 His band was having a concert somewhere here in Southern California Speaker 2: 00:00:26:17 - 00:00:29:18 I was with another girl who was doing some promotional work with me Speaker 2: 00:00:30:02 - 00:00:31:20 we were standing around and Speaker 2: 00:00:32:01 - 00:00:34:08 wasn't actually Jared Leto who approached me. Speaker 2: 00:00:34:16 - 00:00:36:19 He had sent a friend of his who Speaker 2: 00:00:36:20 - 00:00:42:18 and he told me, Jerrod's seeing you from wherever he is over there, and he was interested in getting your number Speaker 1: 00:00:43:09 - 00:00:44:10 was very good looking. Speaker 1: 00:00:44:23 - 00:00:46:03 He was a very good looking guy Speaker 2: 00:00:46:17 - 00:00:55:19 you know most young girls saw him very much as a heartthrob, you know very handsome, great features, professionally very good at what he did as an actor, as a singer. Speaker 2: 00:00:56:06 - 00:00:56:13 There Speaker 2: 00:00:56:13 - 00:00:59:03 he was very magnetic, he was a very magnetic person Speaker 2: 00:00:59:12 - 00:01:05:09 And we had exchanged information, but I didn't actually meet him at that venue at that time Speaker 2: 00:01:06:00 - 00:01:11:16 So sometime after that, after there had been some text exchanges, he had invited me to his house. Speaker 2: 00:01:11:23 - 00:01:17:00 And that was the first time that I had actually sat with him and met him face to face Speaker 1: 00:01:17:06 - 00:01:20:21 long did he get more as before, the relationship between eternal and sexual Speaker 2: 00:01:21:00 - 00:01:23:12 really wasn't long before it turned sexual. Speaker 2: 00:01:23:15 - 00:01:24:14 It was only a matter of weeks Speaker 2: 00:01:24:23 - 00:01:30:05 it wasn't something that he was gradually trying to progress to. Speaker 2: 00:01:30:16 - 00:01:33:02 To him it was more of just, this is going to happen. Speaker 2: 00:01:33:08 - 00:01:34:17 It's factual, it's going to happen Speaker 2: 00:01:35:08 - 00:01:41:12 He did know my age, and it didn't seem to even register to him that it was a concern Speaker 1: 00:01:41:17 - 00:01:42:19 how old was he at this time Speaker 2: 00:01:42:20 - 00:01:45:17 He must have been about 35 at the time Speaker 2: 00:01:46:04 - 00:01:54:02 invited me to meet him at a place called the Chateau Marremont, which is right there in the main area of Hollywood, off one of the main streets Speaker 2: 00:01:54:18 - 00:02:04:01 It's a very kind of secluded upscale place where they cater to a lot of A-list celebrities, so it was intimidating at first going in there Speaker 2: 00:02:04:18 - 00:02:05:12 kind of waved us over. Speaker 2: 00:02:05:16 - 00:02:08:20 We sat down, my friend and I, and just Speaker 2: 00:02:09:00 - 00:02:13:05 had kind of drifted into the realm to talk about the age of consent and Speaker 2: 00:02:13:05 - 00:02:24:11 for Jared specifically we were going back and forth about the age of consent and I had mentioned to him that my dad was in law enforcement, that I knew with certainty that Speaker 2: 00:02:24:15 - 00:02:26:24 here in California the age of consent is 18 Speaker 2: 00:02:27:21 - 00:02:41:19 so there were some conversations going around about well maybe in different states it could be different and that there was a possibility that in different areas they had different laws of things and I told him I don't really know about that. Speaker 2: 00:02:41:21 - 00:02:46:21 I can't speak to it because I don't know but I know for sure here in California the age of consent is Speaker 1: 00:02:48:05 - 00:02:50:07 And he knew at that point that you were 17 Speaker 2: 00:02:50:11 - 00:02:51:06 Oh yes he did know Speaker 2: 00:02:51:16 - 00:02:56:06 So the next time afterwards that I had seen him, I had pulled up to his residence. Speaker 2: 00:02:56:10 - 00:02:57:13 I let him know that I was there. Speaker 2: 00:02:57:23 - 00:03:03:17 He came, he opened the door, and he had told me that in his living room, he was in the middle of some sort of interview. Speaker 2: 00:03:03:21 - 00:03:04:21 So he let me in the house. Speaker 2: 00:03:05:23 - 00:03:13:17 I went down the hallway into his bedroom, and he had made a comment of by the time I get back, I would like our clothes to be off. Speaker 2: 00:03:14:18 - 00:03:24:18 So he had gone out, finished the interview, he had come back in the room, and he said when he noticed that I was undressed, he said something to the effect of brave little girl Speaker 2: 00:03:24:22 - 00:03:30:02 I had so little exposure to anything sexual really at that time as a teenager Speaker 2: 00:03:30:19 - 00:03:35:06 Is this what is expected when you're intimate with somebody older Speaker 2: 00:03:35:24 - 00:03:36:18 Is this what they say? Speaker 2: 00:03:36:21 - 00:03:37:15 Is this what they do Speaker 2: 00:03:37:23 - 00:03:39:02 just wondering if it was normal Speaker 2: 00:03:39:08 - 00:03:41:23 I really didn't know how to feel about it, but Speaker 2: 00:03:41:23 - 00:03:45:17 But physically, I just remember feeling really withdrawn and uncomfortable Speaker 2: 00:03:46:04 - 00:03:48:18 you ever feel like there was a power balance between the two of you Speaker 4: 00:03:48:21 - 00:03:51:06 feel like there was a big power imbalance for Speaker 4: 00:03:51:10 - 00:03:56:21 naturally because of the age, he had a lot of power, you know, over me Speaker 2: 00:03:58:09 - 00:04:05:17 state of California a 17 year old cannot legally give Consent to sleep with somebody over the age of 18. Speaker 4: 00:04:05:18 - 00:04:08:20 So it would be considered statutory rape. Speaker 4: 00:04:11:19 - 00:04:18:11 I Think that being something where you're being held down and forced but that is not all that encompasses rape. Speaker 4: 00:04:18:20 - 00:04:24:07 So Legally anything under 18 would be called statutory rape Speaker 4: 00:04:25:06 - 00:04:30:12 never really truly considered myself someone who was a victim of statutory rape Speaker 2: 00:04:31:06 - 00:04:50:19 there was another time where he had hosted a pool party at his house and I had brought a friend of mine who was also underage at the time and when we got there we kind of got down the stairs and I was really taken aback by the number of young looking young ladies and older men Speaker 2: 00:04:51:16 - 00:04:57:21 a very small amount of men there and it was very disproportionate to the amount of young looking women there Speaker 1: 00:04:58:14 - 00:04:59:24 my tickets, I'd gone backstage Speaker 1: 00:05:00:21 - 00:05:02:15 and Jared was in his room Speaker 1: 00:05:03:02 - 00:05:07:24 he was getting ready for the year wherever he was but he wasn't somewhere where I had seen him. Speaker 1: 00:05:08:18 - 00:05:10:07 He wasn't in my view at that point. Speaker 1: 00:05:10:14 - 00:05:32:14 So I'd gone up to the whiteboard, I found a gy-race marker and I was joking around making people laugh, I was up there drawing things and other people would, other men in the opening band would come up and kind of draw things and we were all laughing and having a good time while I was waiting for him to come out and suddenly as I'm there on the board I feel him grab my arm and he jerks me back and Speaker 1: 00:05:32:18 - 00:05:36:12 I turn around and look at him and he's just absolutely furious like Speaker 1: 00:05:36:18 - 00:05:39:17 I could just see His eyes darken Speaker 1: 00:05:40:01 - 00:05:50:18 gripping my arm, saying, You're fucking embarrassing me, I gave you tickets to come in here and you're over here laughing and flirting with all these other guys and this other band, and Speaker 1: 00:05:51:03 - 00:05:52:10 it very much felt like Speaker 1: 00:05:52:18 - 00:05:56:22 you're mine and you're here having the audacity to talk to other men Speaker 2: 00:05:56:22 - 00:05:57:18 I didn't say anything. Speaker 2: 00:05:57:21 - 00:06:01:03 I was so taken aback by it that I was just quiet. Speaker 2: 00:06:01:12 - 00:06:02:23 I really didn't know how to react Speaker 1: 00:06:03:02 - 00:06:03:17 Did he hurt you Speaker 1: 00:06:03:18 - 00:06:04:10 It did hurt, yeah. Speaker 1: 00:06:04:16 - 00:06:05:00 It did hurt. Speaker 1: 00:06:05:01 - 00:06:16:18 There was no bruising or anything but he jerked me pretty hard to where it called the attention of the other band members, not his band members, but the band members had taken a look to see what was going on Speaker 2: 00:06:16:23 - 00:06:17:16 how did they all Speaker 1: 00:06:17:18 - 00:06:18:07 were just quiet. Speaker 1: 00:06:18:24 - 00:06:19:18 They didn't say anything Speaker 1: 00:06:20:01 - 00:06:24:12 I didn't even feel confident to ask him to let go of my arm. Speaker 1: 00:06:24:17 - 00:06:25:21 I was just completely quiet Speaker 1: 00:06:25:23 - 00:06:31:12 he has gotten angry and verbally aggressive with you before and now he's doing it again. Speaker 1: 00:06:32:04 - 00:06:36:18 So there was even a little bit of self-blame like you should have known better Speaker 1: 00:06:37:02 - 00:06:39:00 I was a three times he got aggressive. Speaker 1: 00:06:39:05 - 00:06:40:04 That was the most aggressive. Speaker 1: 00:06:40:04 - 00:06:41:07 I had seen him Speaker 1: 00:06:41:19 - 00:06:44:04 that was the point that I started to realize it was an issue. Speaker 1: 00:06:45:04 - 00:06:50:20 And I was leaning towards getting into that realm of realizing that it was in a safe place for me Speaker 1: 00:06:51:13 - 00:06:55:02 had flown out to the east coast to visit a friend of mine and Have Speaker 1: 00:06:55:02 - 00:07:01:04 again, he invited me he left tickets through my friend and I and We had shown up my friend at the time Speaker 1: 00:07:01:07 - 00:07:04:03 All she knew was that we were sleeping together when I was under each That Speaker 1: 00:07:04:05 - 00:07:06:08 watched the show and afterwards. Speaker 1: 00:07:06:08 - 00:07:09:10 He told me, you know, I'm staying here We're Speaker 1: 00:07:09:12 - 00:07:10:07 Come meet up Speaker 1: 00:07:10:07 - 00:07:18:10 I don't know at what point this happened But my friend ended up later telling me that he exposed himself to her Speaker 1: 00:07:19:06 - 00:07:25:02 And it's very common for people to know about him and who he is and what he's into. Speaker 1: 00:07:25:18 - 00:07:28:05 And they just very much are like, yeah, that's just Jared. Speaker 1: 00:07:28:08 - 00:07:29:14 That's just the way he is. Speaker 1: 00:07:29:14 - 00:07:31:11 He's always done stuff like that Speaker 2: 00:07:31:23 - 00:07:36:23 there can be a tendency of people to say, Well everyone else knows about it, why should I speak up? Speaker 2: 00:07:37:00 - 00:07:39:00 Why should I be the one to do it? Speaker 2: 00:07:39:00 - 00:07:40:06 Other people can do it. Speaker 2: 00:07:40:06 - 00:07:41:08 Someone else will say something Speaker 1: 00:07:42:06 - 00:07:43:18 Not a single person spoke up. Speaker 1: 00:07:44:00 - 00:07:54:24 Not a single person warned me, not a single person expressed concern for me and I mean there were not only just men of his age but also women who were working with him or Speaker 1: 00:07:55:02 - 00:08:01:04 had frequently seen him approaching other girls or being around other girls Speaker 1: 00:08:01:20 - 00:08:10:11 of these dozens of people who were traveling with him, touring with him, having him on set, not a single one said anything Speaker 1: 00:08:10:15 - 00:08:13:14 to myself about looking out for him Speaker 1: 00:08:14:02 - 00:08:24:15 as time went on I realized more and more how scary that really was being that age and Being so naive and vulnerable. Speaker 1: 00:08:25:00 - 00:08:30:10 I feel like I feel glad that it didn't get worse than Speaker 1: 00:08:30:13 - 00:08:40:05 There is no well adjusted man in his 30s who's going to look at a 17 year old and think, you know, wow she's very mature. Speaker 1: 00:08:40:12 - 00:08:41:14 She would be a great partner Speaker 1: 00:08:41:23 - 00:08:44:02 intellectually on my same level. Speaker 1: 00:08:44:02 - 00:08:44:11 There's Speaker 1: 00:08:44:13 - 00:08:48:09 The only reason to approach somebody like that Speaker 1: 00:08:48:21 - 00:08:51:18 is because of how easily manipulated they are Speaker 4: 00:08:52:13 - 00:08:55:13 I know how he is and I know what he's done. Speaker 4: 00:08:55:21 - 00:09:01:14 But there is a whole population of people out there who don't know who he truly is Speaker 4: 00:09:01:24 - 00:09:07:04 see so many people idolize him for so long has been really disappointing. Speaker 4: 00:09:07:11 - 00:09:12:05 And so when the article came out, there was very much a feeling of like, okay, now we're getting somewhere. Speaker 4: 00:09:12:13 - 00:09:14:22 Now this might actually happen that he's held accountable Speaker 4: 00:09:15:01 - 00:09:19:12 he's left a trail of emotional destruction for a lot of young women Speaker 2: 00:09:20:18 - 00:09:21:22 common stereotypes are Speaker 2: 00:09:21:22 - 00:09:23:19 really comes out when women speak up Speaker 2: 00:09:23:20 - 00:09:24:13 she's a woman. Speaker 2: 00:09:25:09 - 00:09:30:03 So she's dramatic or she's emotional or whatever Speaker 2: 00:09:31:05 - 00:09:31:11 And growing Speaker 2: 00:09:31:17 - 00:09:32:22 well, boys will be boys. Speaker 2: 00:09:33:01 - 00:09:33:17 Men will be men. Speaker 2: 00:09:33:19 - 00:09:34:23 Men just do these things. Speaker 2: 00:09:35:13 - 00:09:36:18 Men are known for this. Speaker 2: 00:09:37:05 - 00:09:38:07 You should have known better. Speaker 2: 00:09:38:12 - 00:09:39:17 You know the way men are. Speaker 2: 00:09:40:15 - 00:09:47:02 And I think it's easier to blame women because everyone is supposed to know that men can't help it. Speaker 2: 00:09:47:06 - 00:09:48:02 That's just how they are. Speaker 2: 00:09:48:04 - 00:09:48:22 It just makes sense Speaker 2: 00:09:49:10 - 00:09:55:10 it doesn't mean that they're not able to choose something different just because men will be men Speaker 2: 00:09:56:01 - 00:09:57:18 why doesn't anyone do anything to stop him Speaker 1: 00:09:57:20 - 00:10:03:07 think there's a lot of concern about how it might impact their career Speaker 1: 00:10:03:21 - 00:10:16:24 whether it's high profile celebrities who are going to say that you're lying, that you're looking for attention, that you want your 15 minutes of fame to people in the industry who do the casting Speaker 1: 00:10:17:12 - 00:10:24:09 For them saying, I don't want someone who's going to call out behavior because it becomes problematic for Speaker 1: 00:10:24:17 - 00:10:35:22 think there's a lot of fear around it that the repercussions are just so high and the likelihood could be so low of someone believing them that she's not to come forward at all Speaker 2: 00:10:36:09 - 00:10:41:22 you're dealing with a very different caliber of risk when you are speaking up out against Speaker 2: 00:10:42:03 - 00:10:45:16 or anybody who really has more power than the average person Speaker 2: 00:10:45:16 - 00:10:46:23 especially with someone like him Speaker 1: 00:10:47:05 - 00:10:53:06 you think the Hollywood machine can almost protect predatory behavior in some way Speaker 2: 00:10:53:16 - 00:10:58:06 Powerful people can be very intimidating because of how much resources they have Speaker 2: 00:10:58:17 - 00:11:00:14 They have good legal teams. Speaker 2: 00:11:00:19 - 00:11:04:02 They have far reaching connections that Speaker 2: 00:11:04:04 - 00:11:07:20 it kind of feels like an uphill battle to be able to speak out. Speaker 2: 00:11:08:02 - 00:11:12:00 You're risking a lot and the gain can be very little Speaker 4: 00:11:13:03 - 00:11:24:09 I think that people naturally, instinctively want to think better of or to give more leniency to somebody who's really good-looking like he is